Episode 19

The Mind Gym: Strategies for Building Resilience and Confidence with Collin Henderson

Collin Henderson emphasizes that mental performance coaching is essential for unlocking potential, not just in sports but across various fields. He discusses the importance of creating a culture of vulnerability, authenticity, and high performance, highlighting how common fears and excuses often hold us back. Throughout the conversation, Collin shares his journey from being overwhelmed and anxious to becoming a sought-after mental performance coach, working with high-profile organizations and athletes. He provides insights into the mental skills needed for success, including self-awareness, self-talk, and the power of visualization. By normalizing mindset training and integrating it into everyday practices, Collin aims to transform lives and foster a supportive environment where individuals can thrive.

Collin Henderson is a fortune 500 speaker, author, mental performance coach and the host of his own podcast, Master Your Mindset where he talks about the power of the mind, leadership, championship culture, winning habits, and more.

He is also the director of mental conditioning for the UCLA women's basketball team and works with Russell Wilson's company, Limitless Minds to help teach the principles of great culture beyond the locker room into board rooms.

Collin has worked with huge companies such as Amazon, Nike, Microsoft, Sales Force, Lululemon, Alaska Airlines, and more. As a former two-sport D1 athlete at WSU who achieved a Pac-12 championship, captain, and academic all-American he has maintained relationships with other colleges across the country such as Miami University, Tulane, UW, WSU, Northern Arizona, and more where he consults on mental performance.

At WSU he obtained a Bachelor's in sports management and minor in business as well as a master's in education. He has written 7 books and creates content nationally for schools to help with social and emotional learning. In this interview we talk about how he got into mental performance, his journey, the concepts he teaches, and he even gives me advice on how to forge my own path.

Please enjoy and give Collin a follow!

The dialogue with Colin Henderson offers a profound exploration into the realm of mental performance and the significance of cultivating a robust mindset. Henderson shares his own journey, detailing the struggles he faced with anxiety and self-doubt. He illustrates how these challenges were pivotal in leading him to discover the transformative power of mental conditioning. Through captivating storytelling, he emphasizes that awareness of one’s thoughts and feelings is the first step towards achieving emotional and mental mastery. His insights highlight the critical connection between mindset and performance, particularly in high-stakes environments like sports and business.

Henderson delves into the mechanisms of mindset training, advocating for an intentional approach to self-talk and visualization as methods to foster confidence and resilience. He articulates that mental training should be viewed as equally important as physical training, drawing parallels between the two. The conversation sheds light on the necessity of creating a culture that embraces vulnerability, where individuals can openly share their fears and experiences. This cultural shift is vital for fostering collaboration and innovation within teams, as it encourages a collective growth mindset.


Listeners are encouraged to take actionable steps towards enhancing their mental performance, with Henderson providing practical tools and strategies that can be easily integrated into daily routines. His mission to normalize mindset training resonates throughout the discussion, inspiring individuals to recognize their potential and strive for continuous improvement. The episode serves as a compelling reminder that, while the body may have its limits, the mind holds the key to unlocking extraordinary possibilities.

Takeaways:

  • Mental conditioning is increasingly recognized as essential for high performance in sports and business.
  • Self-awareness and self-talk are crucial components of effective mental performance training.
  • Creating a common language around vulnerability and authentic leadership can transform organizational culture.
  • The mind has no limits, and developing a growth mindset is essential for success.
  • Building community support is vital; no one should go through challenges alone.
  • Daily practices and routines are necessary to maintain mental fitness and resilience.

Companies mentioned in this episode:

  • Amazon
  • Nike
  • Microsoft
  • Zillow
  • Salesforce
  • Lululemon
  • Nissan
  • Alaska Airlines
  • UCLA
Transcript
Colin Henderson:

When I'm speaking in front of a thousand people, we're not doing a group session on therapy.

Colin Henderson:

It's like, how can we create a common language of high performance training, vulnerability training, being authentic training, how to design habits that you can duplicate, how to look at?

Colin Henderson:

What are some common fears or common language that we're using collectively that's really pulling us back.

Colin Henderson:

I think there's a culture of just like focusing on what we can't do and a culture of making excuses.

Colin Henderson:

Cass is evolving potential, and I was sitting watching another speaker, and I'm like, I'm like, at 30% of my ability, I know as we're in me, I'm just so like stressed, anxious, and overwhelmed.

Colin Henderson:

I'm not performing what I know I can do, but I'm just stuck.

Colin Henderson:

You're going to find similar themes that we're all teaching, which is, are you self aware?

Colin Henderson:

How do you train confidence, things like self talk?

Colin Henderson:

How do you practice mindless?

Colin Henderson:

How do you visualize the power of self image?

Colin Henderson:

How do you navigate fear, failure, pressure?

Colin Henderson:

The body has limits, but the mind is limitless.

Colin Henderson:

First of all, thanks for tuning in, you know, to the evolving potential podcast.

Todd:

Welcome to the evolving potential podcast.

Todd:

This is episode number 19.

Todd:

I'm here today with Colin Henderson.

Todd:

Colin is a Fortune 500 speaker, author, mental performance coach, hosts his own podcast titled Master your Mindset, where he talks about the power of the mind, leadership, championship culture, winning habits, and much more.

Todd:

He's also the director of mental conditioning for the UCLA women's basketball team.

Todd:

He works with Russell Wilson's company Limitless Minds, where they help take great culture from the locker room into boardrooms.

Todd:

Colin's been able to work with Amazon, Nike, Microsoft, Zillow, Salesforce, Lululemon, Nissan, Alaska Airlines, and many more.

Todd:

And as a former D one athlete in two sports, PaC twelve champion, captain, academic All American.

Todd:

He's also been able to stay connected with many universities across the country, from Miami University, UW, WSU, Northern Arizona, Tulane, and many more.

Todd:

He's got his bachelor's in sports management and minored in business, master's degree in education from WSU, which is my home state, which I didn't mention from Washington.

Todd:

So hell yeah, go cougs.

Todd:

As well as multiple mental skills certifications, he's written five books, two journals, and creates content for schools nationally to help with social and emotional learning.

Todd:

He's now the founder of Master your mindset, where he's a consultant and a sought after virtual performance coach.

Todd:

So thank you for being here, man.

Colin Henderson:

Todd, where are you from in Washington.

Todd:

I am from Tacoma, Washington.

Colin Henderson:

Tacktown repping the 253.

Colin Henderson:

I'm from Puyallup, just across the way.

Todd:

No way.

Todd:

Yeah, I still got people there.

Colin Henderson:

That's really cool.

Colin Henderson:

No, it's honor.

Colin Henderson:

I appreciate, I do respect and the effort of putting some of those thoughts together and sharing that for the intro.

Colin Henderson:

I know doing intros is kind of hard.

Todd:

Yeah, for sure.

Todd:

For sure.

Todd:

It's.

Todd:

But it's something I like to do.

Todd:

Like, helps me get into the mindset and, you know, learn what you've done.

Todd:

And many of the people that come on the show, it's like their time sells.

Todd:

Their time sells for a lot, you know, for you to get paid 45 minutes to do a keynote and, like, something, you know, that I don't even want to guess.

Todd:

So for anybody to come on the show, they deserve the justice of people knowing who you are, who was the context, you know, why should I listen?

Colin Henderson:

Well, yeah, it's.

Colin Henderson:

I respected and honor and have so much gratitude just for the invitation.

Colin Henderson:

And this fulfills my personal mission, which is to transform lives and normalize mindset training.

Colin Henderson:

So the fact that we're having a conversation on podcasts that can reach people across the globe is awesome.

Todd:

Yeah.

Todd:

And that's so funny that you would go straight into that right at the beginning because that was going to be the very first thing I wanted to know.

Todd:

It's like, you know, obviously this is my show, and I want to help, you know, do the same thing.

Todd:

I want to help create the.

Todd:

The awareness around the fact that mental performance coaching is pretty normal nowadays.

Todd:

And I want to create the awareness around what.

Todd:

What are the principles and how they could apply to anybody in their life, you know, but it's like, for you, what is your mission?

Todd:

Why would you come on the show?

Todd:

What are you hoping to spread?

Todd:

What do you hope people take away from this?

Colin Henderson:

Yeah, I just try to recreate the experience I had when I was in my early thirties.

Colin Henderson:

My blood pressure high, 150s, stressed out, was in sales, selling the doctors.

Colin Henderson:

And, you know, being a college student athlete, sales is a direct correlation to.

Colin Henderson:

There's a result, and your self worth is usually tied to that result.

Colin Henderson:

Wins and losses and rankings.

Colin Henderson:

And I was so overwhelmed and stressed, and I switched companies, and I had a mindset teacher that just really changed my life and just gave me tools.

Colin Henderson:

And I don't think he even knew what mental conditioning was, but he was talking beyond just business concepts, and I just saw such huge transformation.

Colin Henderson:

So all I want to do is just recreate what I felt.

Todd:

And so back then, being super stressed out, did you seek out a mindset teacher or just, just.

Colin Henderson:

mber it was like, it was like:

Colin Henderson:

I was seriously, like so much anxiety.

Colin Henderson:

I used to stutter, I couldn't sleep.

Colin Henderson:

I felt stuck.

Colin Henderson:

I would escape the work day by going, watching movies.

Colin Henderson:

Wasn't happy, was thinking to myself, I mean, the very title of your podcast is evolving potential.

Colin Henderson:

And I was sitting watching another speaker, and I'm like, I'm like, at 30% of my ability, I know as we're in me, I'm just so stressed, anxious and overwhelmed.

Colin Henderson:

I'm not performing what I know I can do, but I'm just stuck.

Colin Henderson:

So I looked up online, I was like, well, maybe I'll find a therapist.

Colin Henderson:

And I was too nervous to even call to schedule an appointment.

Colin Henderson:

I had to email because I couldn't speak.

Colin Henderson:

I had so much anxiety.

Colin Henderson:

And I wrote in the subject line, confidence coach.

Colin Henderson:

And she responded like, what is a confidence coach?

Colin Henderson:

I do counseling and therapy, like not knowing that there's a whole other domain of mental performance, mental conditioning that really looks at the mindset skills differently.

Colin Henderson:

So therapy and counseling, which is so critical, important and very helpful, that's like the training room.

Colin Henderson:

If you're an athlete, when there's an injury physically, you have a licensed, trained professional to help heal injury.

Colin Henderson:

Where the weight room is prehab proactive work, agility, speed, explosion to like, really help prevent injury.

Colin Henderson:

I mean, you're going to get, I play college football.

Colin Henderson:

If you're not dinged up, you're not playing.

Colin Henderson:

So you're going to play through something.

Colin Henderson:

But the weight room helps, you know, the, like soft tissue and the muscles and, you know, deal with just getting beat up.

Colin Henderson:

Well, mental conditioning is like that.

Colin Henderson:

And I didn't know that there's a whole nother skill set that I could be using.

Todd:

That's crazy.

Todd:

That's such a great metaphor because I think that's the stigma is the fact that if you're going to see somebody, if you're going to talk somebody, it's because there's something wrong.

Todd:

And so it drives me crazy where it's like anybody and everybody.

Todd:

And that's why I like to preach the universality of all these principles in daily life, just to have a better life as a parent, as a employee, as anything.

Todd:

And so I love that.

Colin Henderson:

Well, I think it's been defined as self help.

Colin Henderson:

Self help has been around for 100 years.

Colin Henderson:

There's a million books and barnes and noble.

Colin Henderson:

There's a whole wing like a self help wing.

Colin Henderson:

But I think mental conditioning is more of a domain and a specialty that is just like a strength coach would have.

Colin Henderson:

Certain muscle groups, like core, back, traps, legs, glutes.

Colin Henderson:

You know, you want to really work on certain core muscle groups and there's different lifts to develop those strengths.

Colin Henderson:

Well, in the mental performance space, I think if you talk to anybody who's been trained or their master's degree or pursued or certified or just has some training in there, you're going to find similar themes that we're all teaching, which is, are you self aware?

Colin Henderson:

How do you train confidence?

Colin Henderson:

Things like self talk?

Colin Henderson:

How do you practice mindblows?

Colin Henderson:

How do you visualize the power of self image?

Colin Henderson:

How do you navigate fear, failure, pressure?

Colin Henderson:

How do you have habits and routines to scale your success?

Colin Henderson:

And then you can throw in leadership and culture, all that type of stuff.

Colin Henderson:

But there's just certain things that a lot of us teach that I think more people need access to.

Colin Henderson:

And I think where I found success in this industry is sometimes like the mental wellness space.

Colin Henderson:

Sometimes it's kind of either esoteric and academic, and it just doesn't feel like really tangible.

Colin Henderson:

I think my fascination is how do I make something super academic and make it accessible, make it real world.

Colin Henderson:

Give great story a great example.

Colin Henderson:

Here's a great evidence based tool.

Colin Henderson:

Here's a simple framework to adopt.

Colin Henderson:

It's not reactive.

Colin Henderson:

We're going to proactively do it.

Colin Henderson:

Or if you notice your inner critic or worry or self doubt, fear, here's a tool you can use now, see.

Todd:

And that's so perfect because I'm sitting here considering moving into my PhD and with the realization of, okay, well, what is actually working in the real world and what should I actually do to get out there and get some experience?

Todd:

Because it is very academic as opposed to very practical.

Todd:

And it's nice to have these conversations with people who are actually out in the real world utilizing these things.

Todd:

It can be like, okay, yeah, you know, but here's really the groupings of things that I'm actually doing in the real world with people.

Colin Henderson:

field, interesting enough, in:

Colin Henderson:

And I mean, like four classes in, and I want to just downplay.

Colin Henderson:

I think, you know, there's a lot of great master's programs and a lot of great curriculum that are designed to help, but four classes in, I'm like, okay, I've already been doing this for several years.

Colin Henderson:

Nothing I've learned I would ever use.

Colin Henderson:

It's pretty.

Colin Henderson:

Here's some studies or here's some theory.

Colin Henderson:

Here are some things.

Colin Henderson:

But I felt like the curriculum was designed by someone who's never actually been in a locker room.

Todd:

Agreed.

Colin Henderson:

Never been in a boardroom.

Colin Henderson:

I've been in both of those, and I'm literally.

Colin Henderson:

I can't take anything through this program.

Colin Henderson:

I would, you know, there's maybe a few little things, but I learned right away.

Colin Henderson:

So, again, I'm not downplaying that.

Colin Henderson:

I think I love education, but just find a program.

Colin Henderson:

Find faculty who been in the trenches, who've been in battle.

Colin Henderson:

No, it bodes the question, would you follow the warrior or the student who studied the warrior?

Todd:

Exactly.

Todd:

Exactly.

Colin Henderson:

I want to follow the warrior who's also a student.

Colin Henderson:

So I just think there should be a framework.

Colin Henderson:

It should be evidence based.

Colin Henderson:

But let's not get it twisted.

Colin Henderson:

When I go into groups, I'm not a therapist.

Colin Henderson:

That's a different skill set.

Colin Henderson:

That takes oversight and hours of work where you're being, you know, guided through a program.

Colin Henderson:

So, like.

Colin Henderson:

But we're talking about, how do you.

Colin Henderson:

You know, there's some overlap, but, you know, when I'm speaking in front a thousand people, we're not doing a group session on therapy.

Colin Henderson:

It's like, how can we create a common language of high performance training, vulnerability training, you know, being authentic training, how to design habits that you can duplicate, you know, how to look at, what are some common fears or common language that we're using collectively that's really holding us back and just reinvigorate.

Colin Henderson:

I love tupac.

Colin Henderson:

He says, you want sad?

Colin Henderson:

Rest in peace.

Colin Henderson:

I might not change the world, but I guarantee I'm a spark of brain that does change the world.

Colin Henderson:

So I just want to create an energy shift where I think, you know, talking about culture.

Colin Henderson:

I think there's a culture of just, like, focusing on what we can't do and a culture of making excuses.

Colin Henderson:

Well, let's create a culture of.

Colin Henderson:

Let's not find an excuse.

Colin Henderson:

Let's find a way.

Colin Henderson:

What can we do?

Colin Henderson:

How can we catch others doing it right?

Colin Henderson:

How can we create an environment where there's love and service and vulnerability, and we celebrate failing forward, and we create an environment where we encourage people to try new things.

Colin Henderson:

I mean, I think I can help organizations train those things.

Todd:

Dave, that's.

Todd:

That's exactly why I moved from performance psychology from my bachelor's into sociology.

Todd:

Cause I'm like, there's a larger.

Todd:

There's a much larger mission here that if we just put these things in place at the higher levels, everything would kind of trickle down in that way and creating those environments.

Todd:

And so, like, that's 100%.

Todd:

Something I love to focus on is how.

Todd:

How are you going out in the world and able to help these people to create this environment when they believe in their own things, their own productivity?

Colin Henderson:

It's building a team.

Colin Henderson:

It's building a team.

Colin Henderson:

You know, if I were to say everybody needs four things, a community, a counselor.

Colin Henderson:

So a community is do life with others.

Colin Henderson:

Nobody should worry or win alone.

Colin Henderson:

The strength is the pack.

Colin Henderson:

I think a big fear I have for people is they try to isolate, shouldn't isolate.

Colin Henderson:

Have a counselor, have someone who's trained on the deep stuff, you know, who can navigate trauma, which we all have, you know, some deeper issues like anxiety and depression, like that have more classically trained skills.

Colin Henderson:

The third, then everyone needs a coach.

Colin Henderson:

Okay?

Colin Henderson:

We can go back and heal our inner child and go back to, like, reparent ourselves and do parts work, that type of stuff.

Colin Henderson:

I also think having, you know, either a small group or a coach, that we're going to really work on holding you accountable, helping you create a game, plan forward, helping you navigate who you are and pinpoint your goals and some habits to get to your goals and surround yourself with people that help you get there.

Colin Henderson:

But the fourth one is have a church.

Colin Henderson:

Now, I'm a person of faith, but your church could be something just bigger than yourself, something larger, some purpose or legacy that you're serving, bigger than yourself, that it's not just about you.

Todd:

And so what would you say is your church at the moment that keeps you going on this mission?

Todd:

To come on my podcast and to.

Colin Henderson:

Continue helping my church is just normalizing belief, faith and service.

Colin Henderson:

Like Christ was the ultimate servant leader.

Colin Henderson:

And I don't need with my faith.

Colin Henderson:

I don't leave with it.

Colin Henderson:

Again, I speak to schools and I speak to corporations, so, but it's all rooted in, you know, gratitude and it's rooted in service, it's rooted in grace.

Colin Henderson:

And if someone wants to have a conversation with me, you know, outside of a stage and ask me, you know, what, how, how are you navigating all the stresses and failures and adversities of life?

Colin Henderson:

I was like, well, you know, I.

Colin Henderson:

I believe in Jesus and I pray, but I also know, you know, that there's good scripture in the Bible, but there's also great brain science that, you know, just faith alone.

Colin Henderson:

Like, there's some skills of some daily drills that we can do in the moment, you know, in a group, in teaching and being of service, I mentioned in my.

Colin Henderson:

In the opening, my mission is to transform lives.

Colin Henderson:

I really don't care how I do it, and everyone's on a different walk, and I don't think.

Colin Henderson:

I mean, faith is the only tool we have.

Colin Henderson:

I think it's one of many tools that we can have.

Colin Henderson:

But, yeah.

Colin Henderson:

Again, I think a lot of times you get people in these platforms who have an audience, and they're really seduced by breath versus depth.

Colin Henderson:

I want to work on depth.

Colin Henderson:

Like, am I being a really good dad?

Colin Henderson:

Really present with my kids?

Colin Henderson:

Am I really listening to the people I care about?

Colin Henderson:

I like seeing them, knowing them.

Colin Henderson:

Am I fully engaged with what I'm doing?

Colin Henderson:

If I'm having coffee with someone, am I fully locked in with that person and not get seduced by followers on Instagram and selfies and how many logos you can put on a website?

Todd:

Yeah.

Todd:

How do you balance that?

Todd:

Because I feel like, you know, author of five books, working with this company, have your own company, keynote speaker, all these different things, you know?

Todd:

And I.

Todd:

I know that you have a few kids, don't you?

Todd:

I have, like, four or five.

Colin Henderson:

Yeah, we.

Colin Henderson:

We got five.

Colin Henderson:

Yeah.

Todd:

Yeah.

Todd:

Yeah, exactly.

Todd:

And so it's like how.

Todd:

I mean, obviously, you probably have a good partner, so I hope.

Todd:

I hope that you have a good partner.

Todd:

And besides that, how are you able to.

Todd:

To manage all this?

Colin Henderson:

Well, I think having a mission is good.

Colin Henderson:

If I'm doing any leadership training, I walk them through the MVP's mission values purpose slogan.

Colin Henderson:

So I mentioned the mission.

Colin Henderson:

So my values, I have it tatted on my right.

Colin Henderson:

On my right wrist, which is being a g, which is.

Colin Henderson:

I'm trying to be g d from the feed up, trying to be a g every day.

Colin Henderson:

And that's, you know, to really put my faith in God.

Colin Henderson:

But it's gratitude, giving, growing, and having grace.

Todd:

Nice.

Colin Henderson:

So everything filters through.

Colin Henderson:

Through that.

Colin Henderson:

Through that lens.

Todd:

That's amazing.

Todd:

That's perfect.

Todd:

And so now you're out in the world, and you're doing.

Todd:

Are you having to travel a lot doing this?

Colin Henderson:

Yeah, I do.

Colin Henderson:

I do.

Colin Henderson:

I mean, last week I was in Philly, Boston, Jersey, and Austin, Texas.

Colin Henderson:

And then I'm flying to DC, taking a train back to Philly, then fly to Orlando, and then fly to Nashville, and I drive to Atlanta.

Colin Henderson:

So I'm, you know, I try to, you know, be really present as a dad, be really.

Colin Henderson:

You know, I try not to be gone more than, like, one or two nights a week, but it's just like, I'm just trying to stack them so I can get back, you know?

Colin Henderson:

And the last two days, I was at our kids school, having lunch with the kids, going to the library, helping the librarian, which has a club called vision board club.

Colin Henderson:

So helping curriculum for kids to cast.

Colin Henderson:

Cast vision.

Colin Henderson:

Yeah.

Todd:

That's amazing.

Todd:

Dude, you're working so hard.

Colin Henderson:

That's great.

Todd:

That's crazy.

Colin Henderson:

But I honestly, man, this is.

Colin Henderson:

This is the beauty.

Colin Henderson:

I'm so blessed.

Colin Henderson:

It took me so I'm 44 now.

Colin Henderson:

I left corporate America when I was 39.

Colin Henderson:

I've been doing this for five years, like, full time, like, with betting on herself.

Colin Henderson:

And I promise you, Todd, I don't work.

Colin Henderson:

I feel weird saying that, but I don't count hours.

Colin Henderson:

I don't know if it's Monday or if it's Saturday or it's Wednesday.

Colin Henderson:

I really don't know what day it is half the time.

Colin Henderson:

And I love the people I get to work with.

Colin Henderson:

I love to learn about them and build really close connections.

Colin Henderson:

So I think what I've found is some businesses, it's transactional for me, it's like, it's relational.

Colin Henderson:

I really love people, and I learn so much from people.

Colin Henderson:

I really don't have all the answers.

Colin Henderson:

I don't.

Colin Henderson:

Groups I work with, they know way more than I do.

Colin Henderson:

But I just create a vehicle and a platform where we can ask some questions, take time to reflect, really shift our thinking, challenge ourselves to not waste days.

Colin Henderson:

We have one life to live, and really just backward design a question.

Colin Henderson:

Love to ask people.

Colin Henderson:

What do you want the most?

Colin Henderson:

A part of the brain I've been really looking at is kind of a newer, some new research on the default mode network in your brain.

Colin Henderson:

And it's these circuits where.

Colin Henderson:

It's where your brain goes in times of idleness, when you're not tied to a task, when you're not working on a project at work or playing tennis or dancing or doing karaoke, you have time to just be with yourself.

Colin Henderson:

A question to reflect if people are listening.

Colin Henderson:

First of all, thanks for tuning in.

Colin Henderson:

So the evolving potential podcast.

Colin Henderson:

But how do you experience yourself?

Colin Henderson:

Is that a good place to be when you're with yourself?

Colin Henderson:

Like, are you kind to yourself?

Colin Henderson:

Do you support yourself?

Colin Henderson:

Do you have, do you have, do you forgive yourself?

Colin Henderson:

Do you encourage yourself?

Colin Henderson:

Do you love yourself?

Colin Henderson:

No.

Colin Henderson:

And these default mode network is like, where does your brain go?

Colin Henderson:

Does it go to shame?

Colin Henderson:

Are you going back in time and beating yourself up something that you did?

Colin Henderson:

Are you worried about the future?

Colin Henderson:

Are you projecting what could go wrong?

Colin Henderson:

Or have you trained yourself to notice and have empathy and compassion and come back to the present moment and ask yourself, what's important now?

Colin Henderson:

I posted on my Instagram Stories today.

Colin Henderson:

Imagine if you were asked this question, when is your favorite moment?

Colin Henderson:

And imagine if your answer is now.

Colin Henderson:

My favorite moment is now because I'm right here.

Colin Henderson:

So I'm going to make the most of this time with you, Todd, and just have a conversation.

Colin Henderson:

So, yeah, listeners, what do you want the most?

Colin Henderson:

How many days do you waste?

Colin Henderson:

How many moments do you waste?

Colin Henderson:

This was from Zig Ziglar.

Colin Henderson:

He once said, don't be a wandering generality.

Colin Henderson:

Be a meaningful specific.

Colin Henderson:

One of my favorite mentors I learned from is Justin Sua.

Colin Henderson:

He says, do things with purpose, on purpose.

Colin Henderson:

So it's not just randomly based off of your calendar to do list, email who's president, interest rates or inflation.

Colin Henderson:

This is a free country, man.

Colin Henderson:

We can.

Colin Henderson:

We have a lot of freedoms that we can.

Colin Henderson:

You know, obviously some, some groups would say there are more hard hardships than other, which is true.

Colin Henderson:

But I do believe that we all have the power of free will and if we can figure out what we want, why we want it, and be disciplined.

Colin Henderson:

Stack daily small wins.

Colin Henderson:

One of my favorite mentors I've worked with is Brian Cain.

Colin Henderson:

He says, a little.

Colin Henderson:

A lot.

Colin Henderson:

Not a lot.

Colin Henderson:

With a little.

Colin Henderson:

A lot.

Colin Henderson:

Not a lot.

Colin Henderson:

A little.

Todd:

Yeah, a little.

Colin Henderson:

A lot.

Colin Henderson:

So these daily, just little habits, these atomic habits.

Colin Henderson:

I love James clear, too.

Colin Henderson:

Just stack these little wins every single day.

Colin Henderson:

I think we try to.

Colin Henderson:

We think that greatness is these big moments.

Colin Henderson:

They're not.

Colin Henderson:

There's these small.

Colin Henderson:

Just being consistent, doing simple, better, and just loving that journey versus.

Colin Henderson:

I think we are outcome junkies.

Colin Henderson:

I think that's the biggest problem.

Colin Henderson:

Yeah, we want instant gratification.

Colin Henderson:

Yeah.

Todd:

And then we may tie in our self worth, that outcome.

Colin Henderson:

I'm guilty of that for sure.

Todd:

And so how did you start becoming aware of that?

Todd:

Or was it through this mentor that we talked about that the guy?

Colin Henderson:

Yeah, yeah.

Colin Henderson:

I gotta give shout out to Chi Town's finest, Frankie Pretzel and I.

Colin Henderson:

The company I was working for was bard Medical, selling urology devices.

Colin Henderson:

And yeah, I was in Chicago for a week.

Colin Henderson:

He was my field sales trainer.

Colin Henderson:

e and this is, again, this is:

Colin Henderson:

He had this Rolodex of cds and he popped one in.

Colin Henderson:

It was an audio program on how to visualize.

Colin Henderson:

What is this?

Colin Henderson:

What is this stuff?

Colin Henderson:

I made a really cool mixed cd, a burnt cd of, like, Kanye and 50 cent and usher.

Colin Henderson:

You know, I'm not doing this.

Colin Henderson:

And he's like, yeah, man, I'm in.

Colin Henderson:

I'm in this, like, mastermind.

Colin Henderson:

And we have, like, this collection of, like, these audible teachings.

Colin Henderson:

And I think this would be great for you.

Colin Henderson:

Like, we have a lot of time in the car.

Todd:

Dang.

Colin Henderson:

And then he gave me a list of 30 books on the power of the mind.

Todd:

Dang.

Todd:

What a happenstance thing.

Todd:

There's no coincidences.

Colin Henderson:

Well, I know.

Colin Henderson:

I mean, so part of, I think people aren't willing to change unless they've, I wouldn't say hit rock bottom, but there's this cognitive dissidence that's intense enough where they're, like, willing to want to get better.

Colin Henderson:

One of my early books I read is the brain that changed itself.

Colin Henderson:

And the first rule of learning is you have to want to learn.

Colin Henderson:

Most people aren't really in a place where they want to learn.

Colin Henderson:

The brain is like a parachute.

Colin Henderson:

It only works if it's open.

Colin Henderson:

And because I was struggling and unhappy and I'm really unhealthy, when the student is ready, the teacher appears.

Colin Henderson:

So I think because I was in a state of.

Colin Henderson:

I want to get out of this funk I'm in.

Colin Henderson:

A teacher entered, and once I kind of had a good grasp on some of these concepts, I read that, though.

Colin Henderson:

So we're going to tie this together with our pre conversation before we record it.

Colin Henderson:

After reading this stuff and listening to these audiobooks and watching these great thinkers on YouTube, I just, again, was consuming, like, a ton of content.

Colin Henderson:

And one of my other mentors who was a basketball coach and teacher, he was like, you know, I usually try to bring, you know, a few guest speakers in every year.

Colin Henderson:

Colin, you're doing well in business and college, student athlete, you know, can you come talk to my class?

Colin Henderson:

You talk about anything you want.

Colin Henderson:

I was like, okay.

Colin Henderson:

So that was the first time I put together, like, a 45 minutes.

Colin Henderson:

Just, what do I believe?

Colin Henderson:

Like, how can I give you value as a high school student on, like, what I didn't have?

Colin Henderson:

And the title of my.

Colin Henderson:

Of my talk was the power of thought.

Colin Henderson:

And, like, listeners, do you think about your thoughts?

Colin Henderson:

Are they organized or is it random?

Colin Henderson:

So I just kind of put together, I think, my philosophy of how to change your thinking, how to set goals, how to, you know, gratitude and self talk things I never knew existed before.

Colin Henderson:

And after my little session, he called me.

Colin Henderson:

He's like, all right, that was pretty cool, man.

Colin Henderson:

I need you to do one thing.

Colin Henderson:

I need you to look up the name Trevor Moad.

Colin Henderson:

I'm like, trevor Moad?

Colin Henderson:

Yeah.

Colin Henderson:

He's like, yeah.

Colin Henderson:

He's a mental conditioning coach for Russell Wilson, for Alabama, Nick Saban, Florida State.

Colin Henderson:

Jimbo Fisher.

Colin Henderson:

I mean, he's one of the best in the world.

Colin Henderson:

He was at our school this fall because he's from Washington.

Todd:

Yeah, he.

Colin Henderson:

This is where he grew up.

Colin Henderson:

And he came and, like, your guys are saying the same thing, but it's just a little different.

Colin Henderson:

Like, he's like, you can do this for a living.

Colin Henderson:

I'm like, mental conditioning?

Colin Henderson:

What is that?

Colin Henderson:

But I knew Russ because Charlie Martin played for the Seahawks.

Colin Henderson:

He's the godfather.

Colin Henderson:

His wife, according to our oldest child, Baylor.

Colin Henderson:

I just never met Trevor.

Colin Henderson:

I knew of him.

Colin Henderson:

I just.

Colin Henderson:

I don't think I knew he knew what him and Russ were doing.

Colin Henderson:

So I looked him up, and I was like, mental conditioning.

Colin Henderson:

Oh, wow.

Colin Henderson:

His video is really cool.

Colin Henderson:

He's a great storyteller, great speaker.

Colin Henderson:

He's saying things that are just super powerful.

Colin Henderson:

So then I was like, well, shoot, I'm gonna start teaching this stuff more, you know, and I had also.

Colin Henderson:

I had so much fun doing it, so I started blogging, I wrote a book, and I met Trevor a few years later.

Colin Henderson:

And, you know, Trevor passed away three years ago.

Colin Henderson:

It was like, the anniversary is her anniversary.

Colin Henderson:

So it's just interesting how, like, when you really.

Colin Henderson:

When you find a.

Colin Henderson:

What you're curious about, instead of trying to find your purpose, and I'm trying to find goals, just like, what am I curious?

Colin Henderson:

What do I research?

Colin Henderson:

What do I think about?

Colin Henderson:

What do I talk about?

Colin Henderson:

That's your superpower.

Colin Henderson:

And then things just start happening, you know?

Todd:

Yeah, 100%.

Todd:

That's exactly what led me down this path as well.

Todd:

Like, studying everything.

Todd:

I have a nine year old son with autism, and I was dealing with my own spiritual awakenings around no guilt or forgiveness or patience or resilience or any of those things, and started researching, researching, researching, and came over.

Todd:

It's like, dude, this stuff is absolutely amazing.

Todd:

It's life changing to know that these principles, like I said, it can help with daily life, but it also can help with athletes at the highest level or people in the boardroom.

Todd:

And it's all the same stuff.

Todd:

And it's like, you can read 100 different books and kind of pull out those principles once you have done that.

Todd:

And so that's kind of cool that you're able to not only do that, but then share it, which is definitely another level, because I haven't gotten to that point yet myself, where you're just, like, out there in the world sharing it, speaking about it, was that something that was terrifying for you, or you just kind of were like, let's go.

Colin Henderson:

It was scary.

Colin Henderson:

There's something very, very vulnerable to share with others what you believe.

Colin Henderson:

Yeah, that's super vulnerable.

Colin Henderson:

And I think for a lot of people who are used to kind of having someone give orders and just follow the line of kind of what you've always done, but, like, to really think and reflect.

Colin Henderson:

What do I believe based off of what I've experienced, the mentors I've had, either the training I've had, you know, whether it's high school, college, postgraduate, whether it's masterminds, people who have really done it, done.

Colin Henderson:

They've been in the trenches, and they can teach you what what they've done.

Colin Henderson:

But I think the best way to learn is to teach.

Colin Henderson:

There's no better way to learn.

Colin Henderson:

And I feel like I've been so blessed to always be in practice.

Colin Henderson:

I mean, I have a coach, a lot of people, one on one, small group, live training.

Colin Henderson:

I have a coach, I have a small group.

Colin Henderson:

I lead a small group.

Colin Henderson:

So we're just having these conversations, and I.

Colin Henderson:

Dude, I'm so committed to learning, so I'm really committed to listening to podcasts and reading articles and research and just figuring out ways to make the complex really simple.

Colin Henderson:

But I would say for you, Todd, the best thing you can do, I'm gonna get.

Colin Henderson:

I'm gonna give you a three step process.

Colin Henderson:

Okay?

Todd:

Yeah.

Colin Henderson:

Book bill, then build.

Colin Henderson:

Just book it.

Colin Henderson:

Get the meeting, get the client, sell the big idea.

Colin Henderson:

You don't even have to have it all flushed out.

Colin Henderson:

Just kind of have an idea.

Colin Henderson:

Hey, I'm a student of mindset.

Colin Henderson:

Have a podcast.

Colin Henderson:

I'm super well read in terms of concepts that have affected me.

Colin Henderson:

Here's how I struggle.

Colin Henderson:

This is what I've learned.

Colin Henderson:

But you kind of.

Colin Henderson:

I really think, you know, no one wants to be sold, but they love to buy, and people buy pain over gain.

Colin Henderson:

Best way to influence someone is just to get curious and love them and ask questions.

Todd:

I love it.

Todd:

How.

Colin Henderson:

How are you?

Colin Henderson:

How's your team doing?

Colin Henderson:

How's your group doing?

Colin Henderson:

What are they struggling to?

Colin Henderson:

What's working?

Colin Henderson:

What's not working?

Colin Henderson:

Then the money question is, once you've uncovered where they're frustrated, is, what are you doing for that?

Colin Henderson:

Oh, you're not doing anything.

Colin Henderson:

Well, it sounds like, you know, what you're looking for is what I.

Colin Henderson:

What I'm fascinated by and what I'm studying and what I do.

Colin Henderson:

I'd love to come in and let's just schedule a 30 minutes little workshop or 30 minutes virtual.

Colin Henderson:

Let me get in with your team.

Colin Henderson:

I'm gonna walk you through, you know, some, some concepts that really helped me.

Colin Henderson:

And if you just title it, mindset, train, just give it a title, the general idea.

Colin Henderson:

And then when you book it, now you have a date.

Colin Henderson:

So, I mean, you, you have to do something.

Colin Henderson:

So you have to put something together in terms of, like, well, what do I believe?

Colin Henderson:

What, what does help me?

Colin Henderson:

What's, you know, I have different models to help you with that, but, and maybe you don't build quite yet.

Colin Henderson:

I would usually always tell anybody, like, you need at least ten events for free.

Colin Henderson:

Don't charge anyone.

Colin Henderson:

Just get out there and get reps.

Colin Henderson:

Repetition is the mother of mastery, but that gives you an opportunity to practice your flow, practice your concepts, and give yourself time to adapt, change, adjust, and you get feedback, but you get to practice, you know, and I don't think you should charge anybody unless you put in reps.

Todd:

And do you feel like you dealt with some imposter syndrome from switching into this, from switching out of sports or out of sales and teaching something that is kind of small, kind of not unknown.

Colin Henderson:

Imposter syndrome?

Colin Henderson:

Well, I guess maybe in a deeper layer is part of my anxiety is I used to stutter because of anxiety.

Colin Henderson:

And the phrasing I use to describe what I'm working through currently is I'm a recovering perfectionist people pleaser who's codependent, whose self worth is tied to performance.

Colin Henderson:

So part of my fluency, which was not consistent, was so consumed of what Doctor Michael Dravet calls the biggest epidemic in performance, which is faux po fear of other people, people's opinions.

Colin Henderson:

I was so worried about looking smart, looking intelligent, just worried about what people think.

Colin Henderson:

And then what you focus on expands.

Colin Henderson:

When you say, don't stutter, you're commanding your nervous system and your subconscious to stutter.

Colin Henderson:

Because I had a bad experience when I was in 6th grade of reading out loud, and it wasn't bad.

Colin Henderson:

And so what you don't use, you lose.

Colin Henderson:

I stopped putting myself in those environments of reading out loud and speaking the public.

Colin Henderson:

So my fluency got worse and it became a massive anxiety point for me.

Colin Henderson:

So, yeah, man, early on I had to, like, practice getting over that, but that's part of the, where that growth happens.

Colin Henderson:

One of my favorite quotes is from Joseph Campbell.

Colin Henderson:

He once said, the cave you fear to enter holds the treasure that you seek.

Todd:

Yep.

Colin Henderson:

So, I did speech therapy when I was 27.

Colin Henderson:

I did toast masters for three years, but I never really took it outside of that to go out to audiences and put myself out there.

Colin Henderson:

But, yeah, of course, every time I did it, man, I was sweating through my shirt and thinking through, over and over again, overanalyzing, but every time I did it, I just got a little bit better.

Colin Henderson:

And you just keep showing up.

Colin Henderson:

I tell people, show up afraid.

Colin Henderson:

Let's go.

Todd:

And so, what are some of the tips that you feel like you've gained along the way for if someone was going to do public speaking to, say, confidence, I know you.

Todd:

You talk very well about confidence, and so I'd love to touch on that.

Colin Henderson:

Yeah, yeah.

Colin Henderson:

I define confidence as belief beyond.

Colin Henderson:

Do you need to see to believe, or do you believe and then see?

Colin Henderson:

Confidence isn't, I know I'll have success.

Colin Henderson:

Confidence is I can figure it out.

Colin Henderson:

It might take ten tries or might take 100, but I'm gonna get there.

Colin Henderson:

To me, that's supreme confidence, where I don't need to see a result.

Colin Henderson:

I don't need validation.

Colin Henderson:

I'm in it because I'm committed to it, I believe in it.

Colin Henderson:

And basically, it's having a growth mindset, it's having grit.

Colin Henderson:

I'm just gonna keep showing up.

Colin Henderson:

But I would say if I'm teaching anybody about public speaking is just to have the awareness that it's arguably, universally one of the number one fears that most people have.

Colin Henderson:

So just normalize that speaking in public is just.

Colin Henderson:

It's not just as simple as riding a bike.

Colin Henderson:

Like, it's.

Colin Henderson:

It's takes practice.

Colin Henderson:

So it's.

Colin Henderson:

It's a trained practice skill.

Colin Henderson:

Just like learning a new language, learning to play the piano, learning coding.

Colin Henderson:

Like it is, it's a skill that takes practice, learning how to cook like you, you have to practice at it to be confident.

Colin Henderson:

I don't think people realize that.

Colin Henderson:

They think they should just be not nervous and masters of a thing.

Colin Henderson:

That's a trainable skill, you know, so just give yourself some grace.

Colin Henderson:

That would be step one.

Colin Henderson:

And then step two is to have the understanding that it is normal to be super nervous in that area.

Colin Henderson:

But number two is, if you really want to get better at anything, get your reps in, put yourself in environments where you're practicing public speaking.

Colin Henderson:

There's a lot of clubs.

Colin Henderson:

I did toastmasters early on.

Colin Henderson:

I would call a lot of my friends who were teachers, principals, coaches, and say, can I talk to your team?

Colin Henderson:

I knew that was something I wanted to get better at.

Colin Henderson:

So I literally put myself in those situations to practice.

Colin Henderson:

How can you be good at what you don't practice?

Colin Henderson:

And then I think that what any speaker, leader, someone that shares ideas with people, root your presentations in story.

Colin Henderson:

Facts tell.

Colin Henderson:

Stories sell.

Colin Henderson:

Stories are really sticky.

Colin Henderson:

Jesus spoke in parables.

Colin Henderson:

Is that a coincidence?

Colin Henderson:

No.

Colin Henderson:

So Trevor Moad was the best storyteller I'd ever seen because he.

Colin Henderson:

is training, you know, he was:

Colin Henderson:

His master's degree is in education.

Colin Henderson:

He was a teacher for four years.

Colin Henderson:

But his dad, Bob Moag, who founded the Edge Institute, was what I call an edutainer.

Todd:

Yeah.

Colin Henderson:

So he'd play the piano.

Colin Henderson:

He, like, sing, he would tell jokes.

Colin Henderson:

And I think where the academic field kind of misses people is they get super.

Colin Henderson:

They get academic, and it's super.

Colin Henderson:

I don't know, ivory tower just like academic and just loses people.

Colin Henderson:

People.

Colin Henderson:

You know, we're.

Colin Henderson:

We got cell phones we got to compete with, and it's boring.

Colin Henderson:

Boring will put you out of business.

Colin Henderson:

So story is just.

Colin Henderson:

Kate, do you know the art of story?

Colin Henderson:

Can you.

Colin Henderson:

Setting scene, a challenge, a fall, a loss, and then there's this growth journey.

Colin Henderson:

There's a mentor, there's some rise and falls, but then the ending.

Colin Henderson:

There either is a tragedy or a triumph that you can learn from and then involve the audience.

Colin Henderson:

Ask questions, make it about them.

Colin Henderson:

Do an activity.

Colin Henderson:

This is from Mary Kay.

Colin Henderson:

She once said, people support what they help build.

Colin Henderson:

So don't be a sage on the stage.

Colin Henderson:

Be a guide on the side.

Colin Henderson:

Think about, okay, what questions can I involve the audience?

Colin Henderson:

What activities can I bring them in to where it's not me being a tennis ball machine, just like talking at, never give a speech, have a conversation.

Colin Henderson:

So tie in story with questions for them to reflect and think.

Colin Henderson:

Do an activity.

Colin Henderson:

But I also think to be a great presenter, speaker, root that story in science or data.

Colin Henderson:

Give us some evidence.

Colin Henderson:

And then if you're a really good teacher, you have a structure, you have a framework, you have a model.

Colin Henderson:

You can teach off of that story and then give them a clear call to action.

Todd:

That was dope.

Todd:

That was really good.

Todd:

That was really good because even starting from where you started at the beginning, where you said that, you're telling people what you believe, to me, that already was different than my mindset that I've had currently, which is sharing the evidence, sharing what works, sharing what is being utilized at the highest level.

Todd:

That's why it's cool to talk to people who are working with, like, professional athletes and stuff.

Todd:

It's like, what's actually being used at the highest level?

Todd:

But ultimately, I can be like, hey, this a, b, and c is being used at the highest level.

Todd:

And, like, that's not.

Todd:

That's not really a story.

Todd:

That's not really giving anybody any incentive to really put those things into life.

Todd:

It's not talking about the benefits, not talking about the pain of talking about any of this stuff.

Todd:

And so it's really cool to be able to, like, understand and flip it backwards where it's like, evidence is small, belief is shared in there, and a story or stories.

Todd:

And so that.

Colin Henderson:

Yeah, so the model I teach is QSC.

Colin Henderson:

So if you all taking notes, we're in the mind gym now.

Colin Henderson:

We don't just think that.

Colin Henderson:

We ink it.

Colin Henderson:

So fold a piece of paper.

Colin Henderson:

So QSC would be, I guess, for you, Todd, if you want to get in this, you want to be like a coach, a speaker, a trainer that goes into locker rooms, it goes into classrooms, boardrooms.

Colin Henderson:

Here's a simple structure.

Colin Henderson:

The first thing is, you know, what is your big idea?

Colin Henderson:

I call this the spouse test.

Colin Henderson:

When you're done speaking in 8 hours or 5 hours have gone by and they go home, could they articulate to their spouse what they learned?

Colin Henderson:

And I think people get to try to get too clever, and I try to get fancy.

Colin Henderson:

Just, okay, what's your big idea?

Colin Henderson:

What's the problem?

Colin Henderson:

You want to really address?

Colin Henderson:

But then I go into a model called QSC.

Colin Henderson:

So Q is open your message with a quote.

Colin Henderson:

The reason why we do that is because it helps guide the learner.

Colin Henderson:

We're talking about this.

Colin Henderson:

And as we've seen with the advent of Instagram and I and Twitter.

Colin Henderson:

Next.

Colin Henderson:

Like, people love a short quote that's well thought out.

Colin Henderson:

That's either a metaphor.

Colin Henderson:

It's just, it gives an insight that kind of guides us.

Colin Henderson:

Like, we're in this room.

Colin Henderson:

What do we talk about?

Colin Henderson:

That quote goes, vroom.

Colin Henderson:

And I have my favorite quote on my arm, which is romans twelve two.

Colin Henderson:

Don't conform to the patterns of this world.

Colin Henderson:

Be transformed by the renewing of your mind.

Colin Henderson:

Quote.

Colin Henderson:

And then question.

Colin Henderson:

Then ask a question to the audience.

Colin Henderson:

Really?

Colin Henderson:

They're the hero.

Colin Henderson:

You're not the hero.

Colin Henderson:

They're the hero.

Colin Henderson:

It's about them because they're in real time thinking, what's in it for me?

Colin Henderson:

Why should I listen to this joker up on here that's got GCU's got a Batman talent?

Colin Henderson:

Who is this guy?

Todd:

Right?

Colin Henderson:

No, it's no it's really not about me, really.

Colin Henderson:

This.

Colin Henderson:

I'm here for you and I.

Colin Henderson:

I'm going to ask a question, because a question creates awareness, and awareness precedes behavior change.

Colin Henderson:

Why would I listen to you if I don't think this is, like, important to me or I'm engaged?

Colin Henderson:

Ask a question.

Colin Henderson:

And then once you kind of made it about them and they're reflecting, and usually I like to ask questions where I know that they're lacking there because there's this tension, you know, and they're like, I guess I'm short there, maybe I should.

Colin Henderson:

So a simple question that would do from like, okay, let's just all do real time.

Colin Henderson:

I'll do it how I would do it.

Colin Henderson:

All right.

Colin Henderson:

And maybe it'd be a different quote, you know, maybe it'd be a quote from Trevor or it could be a quote from anybody.

Colin Henderson:

I don't know.

Colin Henderson:

Just give something that we're gonna talk about the mind.

Colin Henderson:

And then my question would be, how important is your mental fitness to really have a great life?

Colin Henderson:

Or if you're a lawyer or a doctor, or you're in the tech industry, if you're in healthcare, if you're in education, how important is your mental fitness, your mindset?

Colin Henderson:

Like ten out.

Colin Henderson:

Let's go from zero to ten.

Colin Henderson:

So ten.

Colin Henderson:

Right.

Colin Henderson:

Question two.

Colin Henderson:

From a time perspective, what are you doing to develop your mental fitness?

Todd:

Hmm.

Colin Henderson:

Well, let's talk about what are you doing?

Colin Henderson:

And that's there's all over the board.

Colin Henderson:

They don't have like, a framework at all.

Colin Henderson:

They have no, like, you would go to a gym.

Colin Henderson:

There's a squat rack and bench press dumbbells.

Colin Henderson:

And, you know, all these different machines.

Colin Henderson:

Like, you have clear lifts to do the mind gym.

Colin Henderson:

There's no universal mind.

Colin Henderson:

You can go to where there's certain mental, emotional lifts so we can start training facts.

Todd:

Yeah.

Colin Henderson:

So what are you doing?

Colin Henderson:

Raise your hand if you feel stressed.

Colin Henderson:

Raise your hand if you feel pressure.

Colin Henderson:

Raise your hand if you overwhelmed.

Colin Henderson:

Raise your hand if you ever felt like, I cannot do this, I'm afraid.

Colin Henderson:

What are you doing for that?

Colin Henderson:

Just ask them a question and get them to think about themselves.

Colin Henderson:

Now, moving into the s.

Colin Henderson:

All right, let's just tell a story to, like, here's an example.

Colin Henderson:

Now just drop a story on him.

Colin Henderson:

Where there's like a character, there's a character, there's the same sequence, there's scene setting, character, a challenge, a loss, a setback, adversity, what do they do, you know, and what it's either going to end and they, there's a tragedy or triumph.

Colin Henderson:

We can learn from either.

Colin Henderson:

And they failed.

Colin Henderson:

Misery because they didn't do boom.

Colin Henderson:

Or they won because they did.

Colin Henderson:

Now, the other part of the s is I'm going to teach a system on how to overcome self doubt.

Colin Henderson:

Like, again, what's your big idea?

Colin Henderson:

And self doubt is, actually, it could be good.

Colin Henderson:

There's good self doubt and there's bad self doubt sometimes.

Colin Henderson:

Good self doubt is I'm not prepared, so I need to do some more live events.

Colin Henderson:

Great.

Colin Henderson:

But give them a model that's rooted in science.

Colin Henderson:

So I think.

Colin Henderson:

So story, system, science.

Colin Henderson:

Can you back up your story or your philosophy or your system with some data?

Colin Henderson:

Because this is from the Greeks.

Colin Henderson:

The laws of influence are pathos, ethos, logos, which in real time, the learner is thinking, is this person credible?

Colin Henderson:

Is there emotion tied to this?

Colin Henderson:

And does this logically make sense?

Colin Henderson:

So story gets the emotion to be credible would be, you know, if you can tie in, you know, one of the easiest ways to get people to change behavior is social proof, whether it's you or people you work with or people you've learned from.

Colin Henderson:

But that science, is that like logic, you know, so we're kind of mixing all that in, into that s, you know, and then once we've, you know, gave them a quote to think about.

Colin Henderson:

I really like philosophy.

Colin Henderson:

I have a lot of questions of philosophy, everyone.

Colin Henderson:

We can have a whole podcast run philosophy.

Colin Henderson:

That's what, that's what, that's what that quote is like.

Colin Henderson:

I'm gonna drop a quote, I want you to think about it, and then I'm gonna ask a question like, well, what do you believe?

Colin Henderson:

Or how have you experienced that?

Colin Henderson:

Well, what are you doing for this?

Colin Henderson:

And then, well, here's a, here's an example.

Colin Henderson:

Here's a story.

Colin Henderson:

And then what we learned from the story is this.

Colin Henderson:

Well, here's a system to not be like that person or to duplicate what they did.

Colin Henderson:

When you're some science to back why this is helpful, here's.

Colin Henderson:

You'll be in the healthcare sales industry, man.

Colin Henderson:

If you did not have a research trial that was powered a certain way, that had enough people in it, that was proven, then you could not present that to a physician.

Colin Henderson:

So I just feel like if we're prescribing success systems, we should have some data behind it.

Colin Henderson:

Try it, because I said so.

Colin Henderson:

I mean, maybe if you're balling and you can tell a personal example where you've duplicated a bunch of times, but I don't know, I just want.

Colin Henderson:

I'm very with a master's in education.

Colin Henderson:

I believe in evidence based stuff.

Todd:

As it should be.

Todd:

And that's why this can be such a challenge for some people, because it's.

Colin Henderson:

Well, then to do your homework.

Colin Henderson:

Yep, do your homework.

Colin Henderson:

How many books have you read?

Colin Henderson:

How many lectures have you been to?

Colin Henderson:

I mean, or what?

Colin Henderson:

I mean, I'm less about degrees because education is not knowledge.

Todd:

How so?

Colin Henderson:

You can have degrees, but did you learn anything that is actually useful knowledge?

Colin Henderson:

I think, but I mean, then are you using that knowledge and applying it?

Colin Henderson:

I think that the application is really more important, but then the c would be in this process of learning.

Colin Henderson:

So work.

Colin Henderson:

I'm a coach, so I'm going to give you a forward path.

Colin Henderson:

I'm going to help you play offense in your life, not defense.

Colin Henderson:

What's a call to action?

Colin Henderson:

So what's a drill they can do to create reflection, ownership, self awareness, application that they can hold themselves, accountability to that we've all, as a team, we create a common language of awareness system, a path forward.

Colin Henderson:

And then I think really good teachers close that idea going back to the beginning.

Todd:

With the big idea.

Colin Henderson:

Yeah.

Colin Henderson:

Any.

Colin Henderson:

Any great article opens with something, and there's a lot of stuff in the middle, and it goes back to the start.

Todd:

That was great.

Todd:

That was the perfect framework, honestly.

Colin Henderson:

And you can use QSC.

Colin Henderson:

I like things in three.

Colin Henderson:

So you can.

Colin Henderson:

Well, I'll give you my framework how I.

Colin Henderson:

How I design trainings or like keynote or three hour workshop.

Colin Henderson:

I have.

Colin Henderson:

I.

Colin Henderson:

I'll give it to you right now.

Colin Henderson:

So, you ready?

Colin Henderson:

So QSC is a part of it.

Colin Henderson:

You can do QSc once, you can do QSc three times.

Todd:

Makes sense.

Todd:

Psycho.

Colin Henderson:

Yeah.

Colin Henderson:

So my formula, and if you want to be a speaker again, I'm not gonna tell you how much I make, but people pay me to come speak to their teams, so I.

Colin Henderson:

It's taken me a lot of failure.

Colin Henderson:

It's taking me a ton of time, take a lot of sleepless nights, a lot of, you know, bad performances.

Colin Henderson:

And I can just tell you I've seen this formula.

Colin Henderson:

It just makes things easier for me to come in.

Colin Henderson:

So step one is to build rapport fast.

Colin Henderson:

So pay attention.

Colin Henderson:

What's something that you can tie into your environment, you know, where you're at, location, someone that you met.

Colin Henderson:

Just give, build a rapport, win fast, get an early win.

Colin Henderson:

If I'm playing basketball, I'm a must see that the ball go in.

Colin Henderson:

If I'm a quarterback, I'm gonna get a quick completion short, get that confidence.

Colin Henderson:

Get an early win.

Colin Henderson:

Build rapport, be present, do not be a robot.

Colin Henderson:

Never give a speech.

Colin Henderson:

Have a conversation.

Colin Henderson:

And then the next part of that, just quick, that's like 30 seconds.

Colin Henderson:

But that's like, you know, one.

Colin Henderson:

I think every human should do improv training at least once or twice.

Todd:

I've had another guest say that as.

Colin Henderson:

Well, because improv is.

Colin Henderson:

There are no mistakes in improv.

Colin Henderson:

And improv is to make your partner look good.

Colin Henderson:

And in improv, it's shout out to Travis Thomas.

Colin Henderson:

It's yes.

Colin Henderson:

And so you just keep building off of.

Colin Henderson:

Off of the experience anyway.

Colin Henderson:

Rapport, quick, then right into it.

Colin Henderson:

Tell a story.

Colin Henderson:

And then number three, this is what I call setting the table.

Colin Henderson:

Right now we're setting the table rapport, story.

Colin Henderson:

And then the third thing is, do an activity.

Colin Henderson:

Involve the audience.

Colin Henderson:

They can do it from their seat.

Colin Henderson:

I've done this in a room of:

Colin Henderson:

I'll just do something.

Colin Henderson:

I'll ask them to do something.

Colin Henderson:

Just do something that involves them.

Colin Henderson:

One of my good friends, name is Erin.

Colin Henderson:

She runs a really cool school here in Nashville that's challenging education for young people.

Colin Henderson:

And she's like, when I train my teachers, my goal is to.

Colin Henderson:

How do you get that information from their brain to their body?

Todd:

Dang.

Todd:

I know the power of that.

Todd:

And that's sad.

Todd:

That's not easy.

Colin Henderson:

But I also, again, I don't classify myself as a keynote speaker.

Colin Henderson:

I'm more of a coach on the stage.

Colin Henderson:

So when I want their focus, I have ways to get their attention back.

Colin Henderson:

And I'll say, where are you?

Colin Henderson:

And I'll say, I'll have to say, I want you to say right here.

Colin Henderson:

And that's our cue to stop talking.

Colin Henderson:

e going to do a power clap on:

Colin Henderson:

But we clap and then that's when we stop talking.

Colin Henderson:

So you just have to have ways, you know, I want them to think, to think, pair and share, but I need their focus back.

Colin Henderson:

But you have to preemptively set the ground rules is how we're going to work this thing.

Colin Henderson:

They were fun in the mind jam.

Colin Henderson:

We're going to get after it.

Colin Henderson:

We're going to maybe laugh, think, cry.

Colin Henderson:

Who knows?

Colin Henderson:

But I'm guessing you don't want me just to lecture you for an hour.

Colin Henderson:

Let's get you involved.

Colin Henderson:

Let's.

Colin Henderson:

We have great thinkers next to you.

Colin Henderson:

Let's learn from them.

Colin Henderson:

So.

Colin Henderson:

But once.

Colin Henderson:

Once that's done, report story activity.

Colin Henderson:

Then I go to.

Colin Henderson:

I go to pain.

Colin Henderson:

Any good movie or any good show on tv.

Colin Henderson:

The first 20%, there's some type of conflict.

Colin Henderson:

Would you agree?

Todd:

Absolutely.

Todd:

It has to be.

Colin Henderson:

Yeah.

Colin Henderson:

Or you.

Colin Henderson:

Or there's no story.

Colin Henderson:

There's not worth listening to.

Todd:

Yep.

Colin Henderson:

So the.

Colin Henderson:

The rapport is kind of to connect with the audience to make, you know, I'm like you.

Colin Henderson:

I'm with you.

Colin Henderson:

We're on the same team.

Colin Henderson:

Story is, you need to entertain before you educate.

Colin Henderson:

And that story kind of sets the tone of, like, what we're gonna be talking about today and, like.

Colin Henderson:

And why you're there.

Colin Henderson:

And then part of that story.

Colin Henderson:

Usually I.

Colin Henderson:

Usually part of that story is like, I'll kind of tell my story.

Colin Henderson:

It could be all intertwined, like, why I'm here.

Colin Henderson:

That's part of the story.

Colin Henderson:

And then do an activity, and then pain.

Colin Henderson:

There has to be some element of.

Colin Henderson:

Okay, here's where we're at.

Colin Henderson:

Here's the facts, here's the data.

Colin Henderson:

Here's what we're up against.

Colin Henderson:

Here's what the research showing.

Colin Henderson:

Here's, you know, ask them a question where they've.

Colin Henderson:

People by pain versus gain.

Todd:

And where do you find these activities that you put people through?

Colin Henderson:

If you're a professional, do some research.

Colin Henderson:

I have a million little activities, little quick games.

Colin Henderson:

We can do the audience.

Colin Henderson:

Again, this is.

Colin Henderson:

But I'm teaching you how to be, like, a next level.

Colin Henderson:

Not just roll out a lazy keynote, but you're really thinking about your audience first.

Todd:

I love that.

Todd:

Honestly, even the.

Todd:

Have a conversation with them, not giving a speech.

Todd:

Yeah, that was very powerful then.

Colin Henderson:

But.

Colin Henderson:

So once you've set the.

Colin Henderson:

Like, the.

Colin Henderson:

Like, the problem statement, then, all right, we're gonna go on a journey.

Colin Henderson:

I've just set the table.

Colin Henderson:

Why you should listen, why we're here.

Colin Henderson:

What's the intent today?

Todd:

What?

Colin Henderson:

I want you to get out of it, and then you can qsc them three times.

Todd:

They slip into it again.

Colin Henderson:

We'll do the.

Todd:

Make it longer.

Colin Henderson:

I got three points.

Colin Henderson:

Point one.

Todd:

Boom.

Colin Henderson:

Quote, question, story, system, science, call to action.

Colin Henderson:

And then you would bridge your second QSC with an activity.

Todd:

I see.

Colin Henderson:

Take it from the brain to the body, and then do.

Colin Henderson:

Your second point would be another QSC.

Colin Henderson:

And then you bridge your last third point, a third QSC.

Colin Henderson:

And then you would close it out by taking time to this is what we learned.

Colin Henderson:

And then you'd wrap it up with a story that would connect the opening story.

Todd:

That's awesome.

Todd:

Have you had times where you've done.

Todd:

Tried to do one of these, like, you failed?

Todd:

Feel like, oh, my gosh, the beginning.

Todd:

And how do you overcome.

Colin Henderson:

I think this is meant to do this.

Colin Henderson:

No, no, I think the biggest.

Colin Henderson:

Where I, my growth edge is I have too much content, too much.

Colin Henderson:

I want to shove everything in.

Colin Henderson:

Less is more.

Colin Henderson:

They're not going to remember 100 things.

Colin Henderson:

They can remember three things.

Colin Henderson:

My growth edge is I need to, like, shave it off and use and do like less.

Todd:

That's been exactly what I was talking about, too.

Todd:

It's like reading all the books.

Todd:

I feel like our story is very similar.

Todd:

I guys spent a two to three years, just almost every, all the popular books, you know, all the classics and think and go, rich and Tony Robbins books and anything, self help, self transformation, psychology, whatever.

Todd:

And then it becomes like someone's like, oh, you want to come do a speech at our team?

Todd:

And I'm like, what would I.

Todd:

What I talk about?

Colin Henderson:

I know, but Todd, but this is where you need to look within and ask yourself, well, what, what pain do I have?

Colin Henderson:

How can I solve that for me?

Colin Henderson:

And what do I think I need to do and start practicing to address what I'm curious about, what I'm hurt, what I'm afraid of, because I can be a certified John C.

Colin Henderson:

Maxwell speaker.

Colin Henderson:

I can be a certified name to speaker a Tony Robbins or Simon Sinek, you know, you know John Gordon, and there's a lot of, you know, Mel Robbins, Brene Brown.

Colin Henderson:

But I think your power is, and what do you believe?

Colin Henderson:

What models have helped you?

Colin Henderson:

Taking in everyone's research and then condensing it into simple systems that are relevant to you.

Todd:

And that's, that's exactly what I've been working on.

Todd:

And then making sure that the time is, is available as well.

Todd:

So that's what's.

Colin Henderson:

So just book ten.

Colin Henderson:

Don't call me after you've done ten.

Colin Henderson:

It's book.

Colin Henderson:

Oh.

Colin Henderson:

I mean, I, I'll just.

Colin Henderson:

Is this a pg, PG 13 podcast?

Todd:

No.

Todd:

Say whatever you want.

Todd:

No.

Colin Henderson:

Yeah, so I have a mastermind called inner Game, and I teach them.

Colin Henderson:

Book that bitch.

Colin Henderson:

Just book it.

Colin Henderson:

Book the thing.

Colin Henderson:

And then you'll learn way more than, like, trying to make the perfect speech.

Colin Henderson:

Just book it and then deliver it and then do another one and build off it.

Todd:

That's crazy.

Todd:

And so when did you, when did you start getting some bigger opportunities?

Todd:

How did this start spiraling into, from the basic speech with the college, as a college athlete and then into Amazon and all these crazy companies?

Colin Henderson:

Well, I think it's also important, again, to be a professional.

Colin Henderson:

It takes some time.

Colin Henderson:

So I had a solid three year Runway of just experimenting, where I had a main course, which was selling catheters, was a national sales trainer, managed five states.

Colin Henderson:

You know, I had that, but I had the side hustle mindset training.

Colin Henderson:

I actually have now written seven books.

Colin Henderson:

We gotta update the bio.

Colin Henderson:

But I was just, I was like Tupac in the booth.

Colin Henderson:

I think Tupac, in just a matter of like six years had performed over 700 songs.

Todd:

Jeez.

Colin Henderson:

So I was just, I was like writing, speaking.

Colin Henderson:

Another thing I think taught me.

Colin Henderson:

Good for you.

Colin Henderson:

I also learned is to find partners, find organizations that have your desired audience already built.

Colin Henderson:

In:

Colin Henderson:

I was playing outfield for the Cougs, and he had founded a training center for softball, baseball, football, and I saw the numbers they had and I was like, so you got like a strength training program.

Colin Henderson:

You got a skills training program.

Colin Henderson:

But the biggest growth potential is not physical, it's mental.

Colin Henderson:

Mental skills training is the most fast paced, growing field in sport.

Colin Henderson:

What are you guys doing for that?

Colin Henderson:

Oh, you're doing nothing.

Colin Henderson:

Oh, great.

Colin Henderson:

Well, I have a whole curriculum then we can do.

Todd:

Thanks.

Colin Henderson:

So I shout out to that organization, Aaron.

Colin Henderson:

So I was.

Colin Henderson:

Got hired on.

Colin Henderson:

You know, I ate what I killed.

Colin Henderson:

You know, we sent emails out to everyone and started a program.

Colin Henderson:

And the first Monday session, no one showed up.

Colin Henderson:

But every, every time we did it, it just kept growing, growing.

Colin Henderson:

I mean, it's gotta show up, man.

Colin Henderson:

But if just.

Colin Henderson:

If you're in your sphere of curiosity, just always stay in practice.

Colin Henderson:

I mean, there are no failures.

Colin Henderson:

Just keep showing up.

Todd:

That's crazy.

Todd:

So you started doing a program out of nowhere with a guy who was a coach, basically.

Colin Henderson:

Well, he, he started as a coach, but he developed this business where he had a lot of coaches under him and they had thousands of kids.

Todd:

Oh, dang.

Colin Henderson:

So I think, you know, you look at being, you know, in sales, you got a big bucket you got to fill, you got sand, you got rocks, you got boulders.

Colin Henderson:

So if you want to, like, serve your family, like, financially, one on one is going to be tough.

Colin Henderson:

That's all you do.

Todd:

Yeah.

Colin Henderson:

And then you got business to consumer.

Colin Henderson:

B, two C.

Colin Henderson:

I found a lot of great success in my career.

Colin Henderson:

B, two B.

Colin Henderson:

Have a partner in the space that has an audience that you like to work with and they help you with that.

Colin Henderson:

So if you hunt and gathering all by yourself.

Todd:

What would be an example of that?

Colin Henderson:

I just shared one with that.

Colin Henderson:

Like, you know, if there's a YMCA, a boys and girls club, a training facility, a different sport training complex, a weight room crossfit.

Colin Henderson:

Like, there's tons of organizations that train physically, but do it train mentally.

Todd:

That's smart.

Colin Henderson:

Like businesses, you know.

Todd:

Yeah.

Todd:

I've been definitely trying to keep my eyes open for that because I was a personal trainer in the past, and then I was moving into.

Todd:

Okay, I really got into this originally because of the behavior change issues with eating people and overeating and self sabotage and all those things.

Todd:

I'd give people meal plans, give people workout programs.

Todd:

They wouldn't always work.

Todd:

And I was starting to get into the psychology of everything, you know?

Todd:

And so then eventually just realizing that that stuff was, was everything, that stuff was the most important thing.

Todd:

And so I really had to just, like, focus on that entirely.

Colin Henderson:

Yeah.

Colin Henderson:

When I'm with college programs, I usually spend time with these strength coach, and because usually I travel.

Colin Henderson:

I'm on campus all the time, and we, we carve out feel, creating timeframes when they're already lifting weights.

Colin Henderson:

This is called habit stacking.

Colin Henderson:

You're already in the weight room for a certain number of time.

Colin Henderson:

So on Mondays, let's give them a little note card and have them write down things that are gratitude for, like, three minutes.

Colin Henderson:

Now, on Tuesdays, let's write down some affirmations.

Colin Henderson:

On Wednesdays, let's spend time to look at our goals and visualize them.

Colin Henderson:

Thursdays, let's think of who we serve this week.

Colin Henderson:

How can we be of service this week?

Colin Henderson:

How can we collaborate and talk about graduate service?

Colin Henderson:

You know, Friday, I just.

Colin Henderson:

But you give them some things that they can easily do with them.

Todd:

That's smart.

Todd:

Yeah, like, yeah, like, I was going to say, I, uh.

Todd:

Yeah, I didn't, I didn't want to do the one to one thing at all.

Todd:

And so I was like, okay, I'm going to do the one to many.

Todd:

But then I realized I feel like you've, you've been in the trenches, you've been working with people, and so you start to understand, what are those principles that work?

Todd:

And so then that's something, in my opinion, that you take to the larger, to the workshops, to the seminars, to the speeches.

Todd:

You're like, okay, I already know these, these frameworks are vetted.

Todd:

These things are being used in the real world, not just jumping straight from education to going to speak about those things from a place of non experience.

Colin Henderson:

Yeah.

Todd:

So I also mean, it's like.

Colin Henderson:

And I also encourage any leader that wants to do this one and done doesn't work.

Colin Henderson:

If you did squats once, I'm good.

Colin Henderson:

Don't got to squats the rest of the year.

Colin Henderson:

Legs are good.

Colin Henderson:

The mindsets, no different.

Colin Henderson:

So let's, let's put together a six session program, or you.

Colin Henderson:

So you kind of collaborate on, you know, what would work, make sense and not.

Colin Henderson:

And here's my philosophy.

Colin Henderson:

We're going to break down self awareness, and then we're talking about self talk, and then we're going to talk about mindfulness, how to visualize.

Colin Henderson:

They're talking about the power of self image and identity.

Colin Henderson:

They're going to work through how to train courage and resilience, fear and failure.

Colin Henderson:

Then, you know, being process focused, you know, habits of excellence that we're going to create systems with how we prepare our routines or talk about cultural leadership.

Colin Henderson:

I just give them drills like reps that we're going to do.

Todd:

So that, that was literally the exact talking points that I'd love.

Todd:

I'd love to hear you.

Todd:

If you could break down five or six points.

Todd:

They're like, this is, this is mental conditioning.

Todd:

This is what we teach.

Todd:

This is at the core of it.

Todd:

This is what I'm working with people on.

Todd:

And I feel like you just kind of hit it there.

Todd:

And so maybe just break down each one of those just for a couple minutes.

Colin Henderson:

Yeah, first.

Colin Henderson:

Yeah, yeah.

Colin Henderson:

The, the first ever, I think, duplicated mental conditioning program that I use with organizations that sold cars, with schools, with sales people.

Colin Henderson:

Like, I just, I use the exact same framework to teach mindset training.

Colin Henderson:

And it was kind of like, you know, if I love John mayer, I love t.

Colin Henderson:

Swift, khalid.

Colin Henderson:

Now, when they go on tour, they're not doing a different set at every city.

Colin Henderson:

They did their album, and they're going on tour to play their album.

Colin Henderson:

And cleveland is different than Miami.

Colin Henderson:

So why would you start over from scratch, different group, but give the same message, and every time you do it, you get better at it.

Colin Henderson:

So I had, like, a handout, had a front and back.

Colin Henderson:

It was like you could fill it in.

Colin Henderson:

It was five things that I can teach somebody in an hour to, like 2 hours based upon how much time would be more engagement based on time, maybe even 3 hours.

Colin Henderson:

But over that time, I developed the, if everybody knew these five mental skills, I called it five mental skills of champions and top performers.

Colin Henderson:

Just something super basic title.

Colin Henderson:

Those are anything fancy.

Colin Henderson:

And the first concept was self awareness.

Colin Henderson:

And that is, I would teach the concept of where's your focus?

Colin Henderson:

You know, past, past, present, future.

Colin Henderson:

I have a little visual model called there are two.

Colin Henderson:

You's their inner critic and your inner champion.

Colin Henderson:

So the critic, you know, most thoughts are negative, brains geared, leaning more negative.

Colin Henderson:

So can you label, can you uncover common negative thoughts like thought patterns of shame and fear and what I call trauma, drama, daddy, mama, shit that have conditioned you to believe what you believe.

Colin Henderson:

And just part of it is if you can name it, you can tame it, label these thoughts and then you can transition to pre planned thoughts of compassion you already thought piece through.

Colin Henderson:

You can write some things down that you want to focus on.

Colin Henderson:

And then the last part of self awareness is a state called conscious competence.

Colin Henderson:

There are four levels of competence.

Colin Henderson:

Without saying the names.

Colin Henderson:

Step one is I don't know what I don't know.

Colin Henderson:

Step two is I do.

Colin Henderson:

Now I know what I don't know.

Colin Henderson:

Three is I'm going to train better behaviors.

Colin Henderson:

And step four is I'm going to do it unconsciously because I rep them over and over again.

Colin Henderson:

So it's like designing, you know, what's, what's your environment, what's your behaviors.

Colin Henderson:

You want to start practicing overdose over there?

Todd:

Yeah, I love that framework, by the way.

Todd:

And just as a side note, because I know that this is why mental conditioning can be so valuable because a lot of people will quit at that stage.

Todd:

Two, it's like, holy shit, I know what I don't know that there's so much to learn and now I'm overwhelmed and I suck compared to everybody else.

Todd:

Whereas when you began it was like, oh, this is fun.

Todd:

I'm enjoying this just day by day.

Todd:

And then now you're like, oh my God, like I've been doing this for three years and I stuck still compared.

Colin Henderson:

To also I think one of my favorite questions any, any performer I work with is, is a drill I call self scout.

Colin Henderson:

When were you at your best?

Colin Henderson:

Tell me about what was your focus like, your self talk, your habits, your environment?

Colin Henderson:

Are you still doing those even aware what winning for you?

Colin Henderson:

You can probably tell me all your failures.

Colin Henderson:

Do you know, like what systems you need for yourself to rethrive?

Colin Henderson:

That's self awareness.

Colin Henderson:

And then the second mental skill I would teach there is any mental score, teach anybody would be the power of self talk.

Colin Henderson:

And that's where I kind of get into the phenomenon of neuroplasticity of literally changing your brain.

Colin Henderson:

These neural pathways, these neural circuits that are going on all the time without you being aware of it.

Colin Henderson:

We say around:

Colin Henderson:

This is conflicted, but I'm just going to roll with this number, you know, subconsciously around 70,000 thoughts that it's just happening.

Colin Henderson:

So if we can, like, you would pre plan your outfits, pre plan the thoughts of the words that the focus, what you value, what you want to, what you want to visualize, like designing.

Colin Henderson:

And instead of your.

Colin Henderson:

You conform to the patterns of this world, be transformed by the renewing of the mind.

Todd:

Nice.

Colin Henderson:

So you're gonna, you're gonna intentionally.

Colin Henderson:

Was that so?

Todd:

You brought.

Colin Henderson:

Yeah, you're gonna, you're gonna intentionally not.

Colin Henderson:

Your confidence is not gonna be conducive to what you saw on Instagram or what how you did on that last sales call.

Colin Henderson:

You're gonna, you're going to renew it.

Colin Henderson:

You're going to condition it.

Colin Henderson:

You're going to feel it, think it, verbalize it out loud, write it.

Colin Henderson:

You're going to start to condition and see it.

Todd:

So would that be in your world, in your mind, like I am statements empowering?

Colin Henderson:

It could be.

Colin Henderson:

I am.

Colin Henderson:

A great question I ask any leader is what's most important.

Colin Henderson:

What are three things that are most important for this project, for this season, for this year, for this task?

Colin Henderson:

Do you know they are?

Colin Henderson:

Well, Trevor would call it your success checklist.

Colin Henderson:

Like, what do you need to say and think about to execute that?

Colin Henderson:

And we don't have time to really break down all the different models.

Colin Henderson:

I teach a framework for this one that we just don't have time to do, but it'd be really super more intently aware of.

Colin Henderson:

People don't realize how negative they are to themselves, so they also don't really realize what they're consuming and how impactful that is on you.

Colin Henderson:

But, you know, it's the question of, you know, do you talk to yourself, raise your hand, talk to yourself.

Colin Henderson:

And Hathoran doesn't raise her hand.

Colin Henderson:

And I say, well, you're probably thinking to yourself, do I talk to myself?

Colin Henderson:

Those in the raise our hand.

Colin Henderson:

We're all talking to ourself all the time.

Colin Henderson:

So it's by design, not by default.

Colin Henderson:

So it's designing discipline thinking and championship thinking that's by design, not just how you feel, because you're gonna feel like crap.

Colin Henderson:

We all do feel like crap all the time.

Colin Henderson:

But the feelings, not the feeler.

Colin Henderson:

The thought is not the thinker.

Colin Henderson:

Like, design it.

Colin Henderson:

Don't find yourself, create yourself.

Colin Henderson:

Language is the wardrobe of our beliefs.

Todd:

So back in your overwhelmed state, feeling like you had a lot of potential left in the tank and just struggling to meet at make, make ends meet, not, not financially, but, you know, accomplishing all the goals you had in life and feeling good about yourself, what were some of the things that you were saying to yourself when you were starting to improve, when you started to speak.

Colin Henderson:

To yourself, I will say this.

Colin Henderson:

So we're breaking down the three selves.

Colin Henderson:

Self awareness, self talk.

Colin Henderson:

And this is a good transition to self image.

Colin Henderson:

You never outperform your self image.

Colin Henderson:

So I love James clear.

Colin Henderson:

He's a habit expert.

Colin Henderson:

And the number one driver of behavior is your identity.

Colin Henderson:

So part of moving from aware of our past traumas, our past negative thinking patterns, being aware of where's our focus, past, present, future, how do we get back to the present?

Colin Henderson:

Being aware of being consciously confident, like, okay, what are some habits I want to start improving?

Colin Henderson:

Habits I want to stop doing, start doing, keep doing.

Colin Henderson:

Let's start designing productive, compassionate self talk.

Colin Henderson:

That's really going to give me energy and life giving versus life taking.

Colin Henderson:

And then how do I construct an identity self image that's gonna help me activate awareness.

Colin Henderson:

So I have a lot of different, you know, tools with your identity, but it's like the values is one.

Colin Henderson:

Who you, who you hang out with is one.

Colin Henderson:

Where you, where you receive your self worth is one.

Colin Henderson:

And just, again, having daily drills and systems of, of being clear on what you're going to place your focus.

Colin Henderson:

And then the fourth mental skill is courage.

Colin Henderson:

So, navigating fear and how you respond to failure at adversity, channels change.

Colin Henderson:

We have some really great tools on using language, using your body, using visuals to kind of cope through, you know, nerves and uncertainty and, you know, just talking through and giving systems around that.

Colin Henderson:

And then the last one to kind of put together is being process focused.

Colin Henderson:

So, again, your routines of excellence, your habits, you know, again, systems of behavior, because mindset, by definition, is a condition set of beliefs that drop behaviors.

Colin Henderson:

Because you may know some people who, they think very highly of themselves, but they have shitty habits, or people, you know, that have great habits but they don't believe themselves, either one of those, they're gonna, they're gonna, you know, fail.

Colin Henderson:

They're gonna not sustain the performance that they're looking for.

Colin Henderson:

So we, if we can package those kind of five mindset strategies and I can do that in, but that I would, I learned as I've developed my, my, my skill set, I can't do all five in an hour.

Colin Henderson:

I need, I pick one of those.

Todd:

Yeah.

Todd:

And like you said, anyway, it's not something, because when I'm listening to this, I'm like, it's obviously not something that is just addressed in a speech alone.

Todd:

It's not the one, the one session of squats and you're all good.

Todd:

It's something that people would have to be willing to bring you on to really implement a plan.

Colin Henderson:

But, you know, what's great for you is don't try to persuade or convince anybody to do it.

Colin Henderson:

Your job is to find leaders who love their people and believe in doing this work.

Colin Henderson:

Are you gonna go on Instagram and Facebook and tell someone who's a liberal to vote for Donald Trump?

Colin Henderson:

Or are you gonna try to type a post to try to convince, you know, it's just politics.

Colin Henderson:

Like, you're not.

Colin Henderson:

You're not gonna convince somebody.

Colin Henderson:

So your job is to find people who are in these modes of curiosity, in the modes of.

Colin Henderson:

They're looking for more.

Colin Henderson:

They're looking for something other than just body and craft.

Colin Henderson:

They want something for.

Colin Henderson:

For the mind, you know, cultural leadership, you know?

Colin Henderson:

So just having those conversations and finding someone who really cares about people who want to grow like that or they're struggling with that.

Todd:

That'S good.

Todd:

That's good, because, I mean, yeah, a lot of this conversations I've had in the past with some people have been around convincing people how valuable this coaching is, you know, and so, almost, like sales, it's like, oh, cool.

Colin Henderson:

Like, it'll never work unless.

Colin Henderson:

They'll never work unless they buy it.

Colin Henderson:

So, again, the first rule of learning is you have to want to learn.

Todd:

Yay.

Todd:

And so then that leads me to another question of then, how would you, with being very mission driven towards teaching this stuff on a wide scale, how would you, in your dream world, you know, think of teaching this to everybody, think of teaching it on a larger scale.

Todd:

How could we implement these principles within children or values within children across the world, across the nation?

Todd:

However you want to answer.

Colin Henderson:

Yeah, well, and this is at least giving exposure and getting.

Colin Henderson:

Getting in these.

Colin Henderson:

The hands of when they're young, where they don't know they're open.

Colin Henderson:

I mean, this is.

Colin Henderson:

Mindset is a subject just like math, science, spelling, music.

Colin Henderson:

Like, it could be taught.

Colin Henderson:

But what we're seeing now is there's a.

Colin Henderson:

An area in education called social emotional learning.

Colin Henderson:

It's called SEO.

Colin Henderson:

And so some of these concepts are trying to get in, you know, a little bit.

Colin Henderson:

But going back to, what do you do when someone is a critic?

Colin Henderson:

They're cynical.

Colin Henderson:

All this is just, like, positive thinking and self help stuff.

Colin Henderson:

Like, I'm.

Colin Henderson:

I know everything.

Colin Henderson:

I'm a veteran.

Colin Henderson:

You know, I've been around the block.

Colin Henderson:

Like, this is not new to me.

Colin Henderson:

I know all this.

Colin Henderson:

The irony is they.

Colin Henderson:

They might know it, but they don't do it.

Colin Henderson:

And a great kind of reframe of that is, you know, I know you know all this stuff.

Colin Henderson:

I know you're very successful, but you probably have someone on your team that doesn't know it the way you know it or a leader who would want to connect with their team on a deeper level and give them tools and strategies again to navigate.

Colin Henderson:

I know you don't have self doubt.

Colin Henderson:

I know you're pretty confident person.

Colin Henderson:

I'm, like, overdoing here, but you kind of get.

Colin Henderson:

But you know how great.

Colin Henderson:

If we all can have a common language and you can show them what you're doing and how it's your strategies of mindset and success.

Colin Henderson:

No, but even though you might not need it, I promise you, you have a fellow leader or someone that y'all are leading that need this so bad.

Todd:

Yeah.

Todd:

Yeah.

Todd:

It's like you need a teacher.

Todd:

You need.

Todd:

Yeah.

Todd:

To bring everyone on board with you.

Colin Henderson:

I know.

Colin Henderson:

So basically, I just don't argue.

Colin Henderson:

I agree that they know everything and.

Colin Henderson:

But it'd be great if other people who don't aren't as intelligent as them can have some resources and some tools.

Colin Henderson:

I guarantee this is from, from, from soccer Playdoh.

Colin Henderson:

But it's the thought that be kind to everyone because everyone's dealing with their own, their own battle.

Colin Henderson:

Just because you think you got it all figured out doesn't mean someone else over here just, like, is hurting.

Todd:

Yeah.

Todd:

So don't try to put anyone in a place.

Todd:

Let's go.

Todd:

Go with the flow and be understanding.

Colin Henderson:

I think even, even though you.

Colin Henderson:

Even though you may think I don't know, I also have learned that if you just sell mindfulness, mental wellness, people won't buy that.

Colin Henderson:

But if I.

Colin Henderson:

There's a lot of sales organizations or businesses, like, performance driven culture.

Colin Henderson:

That's great.

Colin Henderson:

The mindset work we're going to do, this is a performance enhancer.

Colin Henderson:

A great question to ask leaders is, all right, when you hire people and you the best people you have in your organization, what traits do they have?

Colin Henderson:

They're like passionate, resilient, curious, driven, grit.

Colin Henderson:

Yeah, I agree.

Colin Henderson:

Well, what do you do to coach those?

Colin Henderson:

Oh, you're on your onboarding.

Colin Henderson:

You don't have anything around that.

Colin Henderson:

Resilience and confidence and self awareness and, like, be disciplined.

Colin Henderson:

And you just told me like that what the best people have.

Colin Henderson:

You don't do anything for it.

Todd:

Hope they have it.

Colin Henderson:

Help me make.

Colin Henderson:

Help me make that makes.

Colin Henderson:

Tell me how that makes any sense at all.

Colin Henderson:

So then the other second benefit, the other second benefit of this type of work is it brings teams together because they start to communicate on these things and these concepts and what they're feeling, what's working for them, how we can improve, how to fail forward, how to try something difficult, how to create safety within our business unit, on how to fail and get back up.

Colin Henderson:

So there's this secondary benefit where we're learning mindset principles, but our culture, our connection, our trust.

Colin Henderson:

Working on being vulnerable in the gym, how we get stronger is we lift weights that hurt our muscles, and our muscles get broke down and they recover.

Colin Henderson:

That's how you build muscle strength in the mind jam.

Colin Henderson:

We get stronger by being vulnerable.

Colin Henderson:

That's how you build emotional agility and to be emotionally and mentally flexible and how to have compassion, how to listen better, how to try new things.

Colin Henderson:

Because I've learned in the business sector, man, there's a huge population.

Colin Henderson:

Their number one intent is to protect their ego, their image, and their intellect.

Todd:

Yeah.

Colin Henderson:

That's why they don't want to try it, because they might not have the answer or they might fail.

Colin Henderson:

So they would rather protect their intellect and their ego and their title instead of rolling up their sleeves and getting vulnerable and looking stupid or looking silly because they're trying something new for the first time.

Todd:

That sounds familiar to myself.

Colin Henderson:

So I was being a little patronizing in my little earlier one, but it's kind of like, I get frustrated.

Colin Henderson:

So I was like, my friend, it's not about you.

Colin Henderson:

I know you're great.

Colin Henderson:

I know you're intelligent.

Colin Henderson:

I know you've had a lot of success.

Colin Henderson:

But, like, other people aren't as confident as you.

Todd:

They could use to help.

Todd:

So why do you think that mental performance is becoming so popular?

Todd:

Like, what do you think that it is?

Todd:

Why is it.

Colin Henderson:

So, let me ask you a question, Todd.

Colin Henderson:

When you say it's becoming so popular, what evidence do you have for that?

Todd:

I mean, well, you had mentioned it earlier.

Todd:

It was the quickest growing thing.

Todd:

So, first of all, that is pretty good evidence from someone in the field.

Todd:

But just more.

Todd:

I mean, I guess I could be honestly, to be perfectly honest, I've even talked to my wife about this.

Todd:

I could be using the recticular activation system here and noticing more clips and noticing more things, and, you know, it being talked about, more showing up, more episodes or Netflix and things like that.

Todd:

And so there's, like, a show called full swing.

Todd:

There's a whole episode about mental performance coaching on there, which is pretty cool.

Todd:

It's golf show.

Todd:

Just.

Todd:

Just things like that.

Todd:

That I've been noticing and seeing it talked about more.

Todd:

So to me, it feels like, you know, I think that, like, every MLB team has one now.

Todd:

From what I've heard.

Todd:

I think that originally all the MLB teams that had one were made the playoffs, and then, so they ended up kind of deciding everybody across the board was going to get them.

Todd:

That's what I've, what I've heard.

Todd:

And so I just think it's kind of, it's kind of in there.

Todd:

But I also definitely think that there's a little bit of still stigma around the difference between mental health counseling versus mental wellness, mental performance and things like that.

Todd:

And so the whole, like, end.

Todd:

The stigma has been shown on NFL.

Todd:

That's more evidence that they're trying to promote mental health, you know, but, yeah, mental performance specifically, I think has been showing up as well.

Colin Henderson:

So you're asking me why is it growing?

Todd:

Yeah, yeah, I'm just, I was curious why?

Todd:

Because even I can even get more specific because I'm kind of curious about the specialization factor of it, of like, okay, well, back and then we had a coach who knew it.

Todd:

We had a coach like, let's say, I'll use Sean McVeigh as an example, who has read about this stuff and has implemented it into the culture of the organization and probably has other great minds helping him around him as well.

Todd:

But you have someone like that who really gets it and understands it and is utilizing it, and now you have a whole separate person who needs to be employed to do this same work, which is something, I would suppose, I'd say newer.

Colin Henderson:

Yeah, I would say the sports world.

Colin Henderson:

Certain sports, I think golf, you see a lot of golfers have a psychologist or some mental performance expert part of their team, just like you have a swing coach.

Colin Henderson:

But how many times is it not the swing?

Colin Henderson:

It's their clarity, it's their belief, it's their ability to focus.

Colin Henderson:

I know baseball is one of the, like, pioneering industries where every major baseball team has a mental skills coach.

Colin Henderson:

I know basketball there.

Colin Henderson:

It's, we're seeing that in the NBA and obviously Team USA, Olympics and other countries.

Colin Henderson:

There's, you know, people that teach the mind the mental stuff, for sure.

Colin Henderson:

I think the biggest thing that's helping this industry is, you know, phones, I mean, Instagram, TikTok, Twitter.

Colin Henderson:

There's more platforms for people to talk about where before social media, you probably didn't hear about it unless there was a problem.

Colin Henderson:

But there's a lot of great stories and examples of how breath work and how to meditate and someone in this field has worked with a performer, I think, where a bigger growth would be in a business.

Colin Henderson:

Don't know if you've seen billions, but a primary character in that show was.

Colin Henderson:

Her name was Wendy.

Colin Henderson:

She had a PhD and worked with, you know, not just therapy, but performance.

Colin Henderson:

Like the mental performance of all the people that worked in that, that organization.

Colin Henderson:

So I think I, I would like to see the next.

Colin Henderson:

It's called billions.

Todd:

I've never heard of it.

Colin Henderson:

The first scene is a little graphic, but Wendy is a psychologist that works with the main character and other people at his firm.

Colin Henderson:

I don't know, it's just, I think it's a good example that I would like to see if major baseball teams have a mental skills coach.

Colin Henderson:

I think every, most organizations should have a mental performance or a performance coach type role that can support, you know, there are three things we can train.

Colin Henderson:

Body, craft, mind.

Colin Henderson:

A lot of leaders just train craft, but you can have someone whose skill set is to train.

Colin Henderson:

The areas that I mentioned earlier, like resilience and self awareness and competence and habits and cultural leadership, like, different skills that we can develop amongst our organization are going to really up level.

Colin Henderson:

Knowing your product, the competition, you know, those types of skills.

Todd:

Yeah, that's, that's the kind of stuff that makes me wonder, like, how things are going to evolve when you have, let's say, like, I talked to a quarterback coach one time while I was at, while I was bartending, and he was talking about how, how valuable this, this field is because he's got to do all that stuff himself.

Todd:

He's got to learn all the quarterback stuff.

Todd:

He's got to teach all the technical skills.

Todd:

You know, he's got to make sure these dudes are doing the recovery or keep them on schedule with their stuff.

Todd:

But then also, he's got to each week have, like, a theme, a mindset type theme of a speech he has to come up with.

Todd:

And he's like, it's just a ton of work.

Todd:

And so it makes me think if you bring in a separate person, if you give the work to that person, and now you're able to focus even more so on specialization, on the technical skills, on really honing those things in, it just seems to me very valuable for sports in general.

Colin Henderson:

Yeah, I buy the sport business school education, like anything.

Colin Henderson:

You said it right.

Colin Henderson:

Their training isn't in this field.

Colin Henderson:

Their training is, how do I get my, my footwork throwing it?

Colin Henderson:

How do I be more accurate?

Colin Henderson:

How do I know the offense?

Colin Henderson:

Like, that's a different skill of teaching someone.

Colin Henderson:

If you think about these football as an example, the average play is five to 6 seconds.

Colin Henderson:

The average time in between each play, ranging on what type of offense, if it's hurry up or huddle, could be anywhere between 15 to 35 seconds.

Colin Henderson:

So in the three hour football game, there's only eleven minutes of competition.

Todd:

Geez, I never thought of that straight in that way.

Colin Henderson:

So you're training in the weight room, you're training and practice all these plays for 6 seconds.

Colin Henderson:

That's only eleven minutes.

Colin Henderson:

There's 249 minutes in between each play.

Colin Henderson:

You're doing nothing for that time.

Colin Henderson:

And how you think through what just happened and what's going to happen next.

Todd:

And overcoming mistakes.

Colin Henderson:

Yeah.

Colin Henderson:

Or being present, self talk, habits, routines, your identity, how you getting self worth.

Colin Henderson:

I mean, you cannot just do that in 160 minutes session.

Todd:

That's crazy.

Todd:

So how are you with your current business and dreams moving forward with coaching and sharing this message on a yemenite?

Todd:

On a larger scale, man, isn't that the question?

Colin Henderson:

That is the question.

Colin Henderson:

Um, so let's just.

Colin Henderson:

I think I do like systems.

Colin Henderson:

I like like frameworks.

Colin Henderson:

So this is a system top for you.

Colin Henderson:

Like, how do I make a name?

Colin Henderson:

How do you make a name for yourself?

Colin Henderson:

How do you leave a dent in the universe?

Colin Henderson:

How do you have leave a legacy?

Colin Henderson:

So step this is, we're going to tie all back to the beginning.

Colin Henderson:

So step one is really learn the information, whatever information you're curious about, like really study information.

Colin Henderson:

Books, thought leaders, Ted talks, mentors, like, get that information just to saturate yourself in knowledge, information.

Colin Henderson:

Step two, I think you're bridging right now, is creation, create, create.

Colin Henderson:

Whether it's podcasting, books, I don't know, journaling, blogs, seminars, coaching, like, just freaking take that information.

Colin Henderson:

What do I believe?

Colin Henderson:

What's impacting me?

Colin Henderson:

What am I implementing?

Colin Henderson:

And then create, do something with it.

Colin Henderson:

Information creation.

Colin Henderson:

Step three is domination.

Colin Henderson:

And domination is now, this is any entrepreneur's goal, is either domination is.

Colin Henderson:

I've created a team around me where we have scaled, as in it runs itself.

Colin Henderson:

Whether there's SEO and there's ads on Facebook, you know, YouTube, Instagram, there's people selling for me.

Colin Henderson:

You know, there's courses that literally, it's an annual run itself.

Colin Henderson:

It's that mailbox, horizontal money where we've operated, you know, we have our philosophy.

Colin Henderson:

I'll say Brian Cain now has, he's, he's on phase three.

Colin Henderson:

Brian Kane has his mpm.

Colin Henderson:

You get certified coach, coach of the mental right there.

Colin Henderson:

You've done it.

Colin Henderson:

I mean, so he's scaled because he's figured out, and I spent time with him.

Colin Henderson:

He had a coach, and they mapped out a business plan to scale because he was traveling the country.

Colin Henderson:

Gone all the time.

Colin Henderson:

It's like, you know, I don't want to be gone all the time, and I want to package what I've learned in my career in this field and help people know this information and coaches information.

Todd:

Yeah.

Colin Henderson:

The other way you can dominate is to get.

Colin Henderson:

To get acquired where investors or people who say, I love your curriculum, love your content, love your platform, I want to purchase it because I think we can do it better.

Colin Henderson:

I think we can scale it better for you.

Colin Henderson:

So there's an exit number that.

Todd:

Wow.

Colin Henderson:

So, I'm.

Colin Henderson:

I'm working on that third one where I'm still working on scaling that thing.

Colin Henderson:

And, hey, maybe someday there's so much value in the marketplace that someone says, this was really powerful nation.

Colin Henderson:

I think we have a team that could scale it for you.

Todd:

That's awesome.

Todd:

That's.

Todd:

That's perfect.

Todd:

That's all I wanted to know.

Todd:

I was curious, so, where can people find you?

Colin Henderson:

Well, thanks, Todd, for the opportunity, man.

Colin Henderson:

I love.

Colin Henderson:

Love finding people who are passionate about this stuff, and what an honor.

Colin Henderson:

I just want to extend so much gratitude just that you found me and we're talking and sharing these concepts.

Colin Henderson:

Let's.

Colin Henderson:

Let's normalize this stuff.

Colin Henderson:

I think the easiest is on Instagram.

Colin Henderson:

Colin Henderson, two l's on LinkedIn.

Colin Henderson:

Colin Nation, two Ls.

Colin Henderson:

Bunch of books on Amazon.

Colin Henderson:

Just type in Colin Henderson.

Colin Henderson:

I have a podcast, mastermind set.

Colin Henderson:

arted that thing in, I think,:

Colin Henderson:

Taking a little break from it.

Colin Henderson:

My co produce, my producer and co host, Tanner AkT Money, had some health stuff, and he's recovering, is doing great, but we're taking a little break.

Colin Henderson:

But those are some spots.

Todd:

That's perfect, dude.

Todd:

And thank you for coming on, man.

Todd:

I've watched so many of your talks.

Todd:

You're.

Todd:

You're so smooth that this.

Todd:

So good at it.

Todd:

And I know that there's been a lot of work behind the scenes no one's seen, so I'm glad we got to talk about some of that.

Todd:

And I highly encourage everyone to go check out Colin Henderson's work.

Todd:

He's got plenty of shorts long videos, the nine, so definitely worth your time.

Todd:

And thank you very much for being here, Colin.

Colin Henderson:

We're in this thing with this truth.

Colin Henderson:

The body has limits, what the mind is.

Todd:

Agreed.

Colin Henderson:

That's just my cat.

Colin Henderson:

That's my.

Colin Henderson:

My catchphrase.

Colin Henderson:

You got it in every video, every training, every podcast.

Colin Henderson:

I just had to get it in, man.

Colin Henderson:

Mission, values, purpose, slogan.

Colin Henderson:

Come on.

Todd:

I love it, dude.

Todd:

I love it.

Todd:

And thank you again for being here, man.

Colin Henderson:

It was fun.

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